Is it illegal to photograph a policeman?

[Citoyen Recorder]

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the
street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

No.

[Paul Rudin]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the
street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

No.

Or rather, not of itself.

Note that in some circumstances publishing a photo taken in a public
place can be tortious - see e.g. the Naomi Campbell case.

[Rob Morley]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 06:06:08 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

No.

[Sara Merriman]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the
street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Was is the man or the horse? Could make a difference.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Policeman pooing, or the horse. Poohing is to do with Tigger and Piglet.

[Martin Bonner]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing
on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

In general, no. (He's in a public place, so has no reasonable
expectation of privacy.)

Post by Citoyen Recorder
From time to time the police have to be reminded of this. (Although

the more usual case is being photographed being heavy-handed with
some sort of protest).

I can imagine there are circumstances where it might be illegal (if it
was part of a campaign of harassment for example).

[lordgnome]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Probably not - but why would you want to?

[Adam Funk]

Post by lordgnome

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Probably not - but why would you want to?

To complain about leaving crap in a public place? It's illegal for
you or me to do it; it's generally illegal to let dogs do it without
bagging it out; why should the police be allowed to leave horse crap
on the road (or even worse, on a shared use area or pedestrianized
shopping street, where pedestrians are more likely to step in it)?

[Mark Goodge]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:14:28 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by lordgnome

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Probably not - but why would you want to?

To complain about leaving crap in a public place? It's illegal for
you or me to do it; it's generally illegal to let dogs do it without
bagging it out; why should the police be allowed to leave horse crap
on the road (or even worse, on a shared use area or pedestrianized
shopping street, where pedestrians are more likely to step in it)?

Dog poo (not pooh, which is an entirely different thing!) is specifically
required by law to be cleaned up by the person responsible for the dog. No
such general[1] law applies to any other animal.

More generally, horses, being vegetarians, do not produce poo which
constitutes a potential health hazard to humans. Dogs do. There's no
equivalent of Toxocara Canis in horse poo. In fact, horse poo is widely
sought after by keen gardners and allotment holders as it is excellent
fertiliser.

[1] Some locations do have by-laws relating to horse poo, mainly those
which still have those laws as a hangover from the days when horses were
the primary mode of, er, horsepower. But that's related to the problems
caused by sheer quantity rather than any public health issues.

Mark

[pcb1962]

Post by Mark Goodge
More generally, horses, being vegetarians,

Horses are herbivores, not vegetarians

[Sara Merriman]

Post by pcb1962

Post by Mark Goodge
More generally, horses, being vegetarians,

Horses are herbivores, not vegetarians

Being rather squeamish, I once looked askance at a friend who was
happily picking up her horse's excrement and throwing into a
wheelbarrow with her bare hands. "Oh don't be silly" she said, "he's a
vegetarian". "So am I" I said. "Would you do that with mine?".

[steve robinson]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:54:17 +0100, Sara Merriman

Post by Sara Merriman

Post by pcb1962

Post by Mark Goodge
More generally, horses, being vegetarians,

Horses are herbivores, not vegetarians

Being rather squeamish, I once looked askance at a friend who was
happily picking up her horse's excrement and throwing into a
wheelbarrow with her bare hands. "Oh don't be silly" she said, "he's a
vegetarian". "So am I" I said. "Would you do that with mine?".

Sara that has made my day :)

[Adam Funk]

Post by Mark Goodge
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:14:28 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk
To complain about leaving crap in a public place? It's illegal for
you or me to do it; it's generally illegal to let dogs do it without
bagging it out; why should the police be allowed to leave horse crap
on the road (or even worse, on a shared use area or pedestrianized
shopping street, where pedestrians are more likely to step in it)?

Dog poo (not pooh, which is an entirely different thing!) is specifically
required by law to be cleaned up by the person responsible for the dog. No
such general[1] law applies to any other animal.
More generally, horses, being vegetarians, do not produce poo which
constitutes a potential health hazard to humans. Dogs do. There's no
equivalent of Toxocara Canis in horse poo. In fact, horse poo is widely
sought after by keen gardners and allotment holders as it is excellent
fertiliser.

No excrement is sanitary: otherwise it wouldn't be important to wash
our hands; it's just that dog poo is much more unsanitary than most
kinds. I see no reason why leaving horse crap --- especially in
pedestrian areas, where I have seen police horses dump & go ---
shouldn't be covered by littering laws (for example).

[Janet]

In article <***@news.ducksburg.com>, ***@ducksburg.com
says...

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Mark Goodge
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:14:28 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk
To complain about leaving crap in a public place? It's illegal for
you or me to do it; it's generally illegal to let dogs do it without
bagging it out; why should the police be allowed to leave horse crap
on the road (or even worse, on a shared use area or pedestrianized
shopping street, where pedestrians are more likely to step in it)?

Dog poo (not pooh, which is an entirely different thing!) is specifically
required by law to be cleaned up by the person responsible for the dog. No
such general[1] law applies to any other animal.
More generally, horses, being vegetarians, do not produce poo which
constitutes a potential health hazard to humans.

apart from the risk of tetanus


Dogs do. There's no

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Mark Goodge
equivalent of Toxocara Canis in horse poo. In fact, horse poo is widely
sought after by keen gardners and allotment holders as it is excellent
fertiliser.

No excrement is sanitary: otherwise it wouldn't be important to wash
our hands; it's just that dog poo is much more unsanitary than most
kinds. I see no reason why leaving horse crap --- especially in
pedestrian areas, where I have seen police horses dump & go ---
shouldn't be covered by littering laws (for example).

Leave it there, I'll be along with a sack and shovel :-)

Janet

[Citoyen Recorder]

Post by Mark Goodge
Dog poo (not pooh, which is an entirely different thing!) is specifically
required by law to be cleaned up by the person responsible for the dog. No
such general[1] law applies to any other animal.
More generally, horses, being vegetarians, do not produce poo which
constitutes a potential health hazard to humans. Dogs do. There's no
equivalent of Toxocara Canis in horse poo. In fact, horse poo is widely
sought after by keen gardners and allotment holders as it is excellent
fertiliser.
[1] Some locations do have by-laws relating to horse poo, mainly those
which still have those laws as a hangover from the days when horses were
the primary mode of, er, horsepower. But that's related to the problems
caused by sheer quantity rather than any public health issues.

Can you quote an example of a Local Authority which has banned certain locations of the pooing by horses because of the sheer quantity that might be dropped by them? I would find this information extremely useful.

[Citoyen Recorder]

Post by lordgnome

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Probably not - but why would you want to?

Physically to shame the individual concerned and his horse which arrogantly poohs all over our street when they exercise him, without them bothering to clear the mess up. Next time I catch one in flagrante delicto I will post the photo on twitter in the hope thousands of like minded persons retweet my post.

[Adam Funk]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

That reminds me of something I've been wondering about: it is legal
for mounted police to leave pooh on the street?

[Mark Goodge]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:45:17 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

That reminds me of something I've been wondering about: it is legal
for mounted police to leave pooh on the street?

Yes, although Christopher Robin may get a bit upset.

(It is actually quite important to distinguish between these two homonyms.
Because I'm pretty sure that playing poo sticks on a bridge in public
would, in fact, be illegal).

Mark

[David D S]

Post by Mark Goodge
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:45:17 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing

on >> the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Post by Adam Funk
That reminds me of something I've been wondering about: it is legal
for mounted police to leave pooh on the street?

Yes, although Christopher Robin may get a bit upset.
(It is actually quite important to distinguish between these two
homonyms. Because I'm pretty sure that playing poo sticks on a
bridge in public would, in fact, be illegal).
Mark

I've had to dispose of 6 poo sticks after completing some tests for the
NHS to detect whether I have any problems or cancer signs in my gut.

[Adam Funk]

Post by Mark Goodge
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:45:17 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

That reminds me of something I've been wondering about: it is legal
for mounted police to leave pooh on the street?

Yes, although Christopher Robin may get a bit upset.
(It is actually quite important to distinguish between these two homonyms.
Because I'm pretty sure that playing poo sticks on a bridge in public
would, in fact, be illegal).

Fair enough, I would normally have typed "poo" (well, more likely
"crap") but was following the OP's example.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

One has to ask if it was the horse that was doing the poohing, or the
policeman on the horse that was doing the poohing. Either way, it's
probably legal - although I suspect that the policeman would be more
likely to object than the horse would.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the
street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

It may depend on exactly who/what is doing the poohing.

[r***@gmail.com]

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released without charge.

YouTube has thousands of such videos.

[A.Lee]

Post by r***@gmail.com

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?

If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week.

[Robin Bignall]

Post by A.Lee

Post by r***@gmail.com

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week.

I thought I'd read a handful of years ago that all offences had been
defined as arrestable, and that whether an offence had been committed
was up to the discretion of the police officer. That's why there's so
much variation up and down the country on what people get arrested for.
Grist for the Daily Mail grinder.

[Judith]

Post by Robin Bignall

Post by A.Lee

Post by r***@gmail.com

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week.

I thought I'd read a handful of years ago that all offences had been
defined as arrestable, and that whether an offence had been committed
was up to the discretion of the police officer. That's why there's so
much variation up and down the country on what people get arrested for.
Grist for the Daily Mail grinder.

Of course - and then if they realise that there were in fact no grounds for
arrest - they are de-arrested.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Judith

Post by Robin Bignall
I thought I'd read a handful of years ago that all offences had been
defined as arrestable, and that whether an offence had been committed
was up to the discretion of the police officer. That's why there's so
much variation up and down the country on what people get arrested for.
Grist for the Daily Mail grinder.

Of course - and then if they realise that there were in fact no grounds for
arrest - they are de-arrested.

I have an idea that you can only be de-arrested before being processed
by the desk sergeant. But anyone with chapter and verse welcome to chip
in.

[Judith]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Judith

Post by Robin Bignall
I thought I'd read a handful of years ago that all offences had been
defined as arrestable, and that whether an offence had been committed
was up to the discretion of the police officer. That's why there's so
much variation up and down the country on what people get arrested for.
Grist for the Daily Mail grinder.

Of course - and then if they realise that there were in fact no grounds for
arrest - they are de-arrested.

I have an idea that you can only be de-arrested before being processed
by the desk sergeant. But anyone with chapter and verse welcome to chip
in.

You may be correct - but that does not negate what I said.

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by A.Lee

Post by r***@gmail.com

Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week.
--
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Well, typing "police photography uk" into the search bar of YouTube returns "about 38,700 results".

Lots will be duplicates, of course but if it's legal to photograph the police then I'd expect close to zero results.

In fact, if you view some of the videos, you sometimes actually have to pinch yourself to remember you do live in the UK and not 1970 East Germany.

[Roger Hayter]

Post by r***@gmail.com

Post by A.Lee

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 2:37:57 PM UTC+1, Citoyen Recorder
wrote: > Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse
poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?
Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that
you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released
without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week. --
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Well, typing "police photography uk" into the search bar of YouTube
returns "about 38,700 results".
Lots will be duplicates, of course but if it's legal to photograph the
police then I'd expect close to zero results.
In fact, if you view some of the videos, you sometimes actually have to
pinch yourself to remember you do live in the UK and not 1970 East
Germany.

I think the police have alwayst behaved overbearingly and violently
toward the poor and minorities. The only change is that they now feel
confident enough to behave that way towards nearly everyone; and of
course the ubiquitous phone camera.

OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

[Adam Funk]

Post by Roger Hayter
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Adam Funk
I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

I don't think horses (police or otherwise) pooing on the road has been
made illegal since it was ubiquitous.

[Roger Hayter]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Adam Funk
I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

I don't think horses (police or otherwise) pooing on the road has been
made illegal since it was ubiquitous.

Perhaps someone who cares could check whether there is an exemption in
any of the litter laws that have passed since. I imagine there was an
effective (formal, informal or both) system for clearing it up in the
days when it was universal. Unless the horse rider was also equipped
with a cart it would seem to be totally impractical to clear it up in
the course of riding. Even in my childhood, hardly a week would go by
without a horse passing down our suburban London street.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Adam Funk
I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

I don't think horses (police or otherwise) pooing on the road has been
made illegal since it was ubiquitous.

Perhaps someone who cares could check whether there is an exemption in
any of the litter laws that have passed since. I imagine there was an
effective (formal, informal or both) system for clearing it up in the
days when it was universal. Unless the horse rider was also equipped
with a cart it would seem to be totally impractical to clear it up in
the course of riding. Even in my childhood, hardly a week would go by
without a horse passing down our suburban London street.

There was an effective informal system. It was called little old ladies with roses
in the garden.

[Pedt]

In article <1mcjox5.14n08ln1mmnfjaN%***@hayter.org>, ***@hayter.org
says...

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Ian Jackson
I don't think horses (police or otherwise) pooing on the road has been
made illegal since it was ubiquitous.

Perhaps someone who cares could check whether there is an exemption in
any of the litter laws that have passed since. I imagine there was an
effective (formal, informal or both) system for clearing it up in the
days when it was universal.

The massed buckets of The Rhubarb Growers Assiciation?

[Chris R]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Adam Funk
I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

I don't think horses (police or otherwise) pooing on the road has been
made illegal since it was ubiquitous.

Perhaps someone who cares could check whether there is an exemption in
any of the litter laws that have passed since. I imagine there was an
effective (formal, informal or both) system for clearing it up in the
days when it was universal. Unless the horse rider was also equipped
with a cart it would seem to be totally impractical to clear it up in
the course of riding. Even in my childhood, hardly a week would go by
without a horse passing down our suburban London street.

I was trying to imagine the progress of the Household Cavalry along the Mall
if they had to stop and pick it up.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Roger Hayter
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

I don't see why not.

Because no horse riders have to.

Post by Adam Funk
Should they have a general permission to drop litter on duty?

That, of course, is a completely different question.

[d***@gmail.com]

Post by Adam Funk
I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

It wasn't the police officer who dropped it.

[Mark Goodge]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:16:24 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Roger Hayter
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

Horse poo is 100% biodegradable. So much so that people actually seek it
out to put on their gardens. Most litter, by contrast, is not.

Mark

[Adam Funk]

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:16:24 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Roger Hayter
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

Horse poo is 100% biodegradable. So much so that people actually seek it
out to put on their gardens. Most litter, by contrast, is not.

So are most carrier bags now --- therefore they should be exempt from
littering laws? Littering bans aren't just about biodegradability ---
they are about maintaining a pleasant environment for people to walk
in.

[Mark Goodge]

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:19:18 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:16:24 +0100, Adam Funk put finger to keyboard and

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Roger Hayter
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.

I don't see why not. Should they have a general permission to drop
litter on duty?

Horse poo is 100% biodegradable. So much so that people actually seek it
out to put on their gardens. Most litter, by contrast, is not.

So are most carrier bags now --- therefore they should be exempt from
littering laws? Littering bans aren't just about biodegradability ---
they are about maintaining a pleasant environment for people to walk
in.

Carrier bags aren't sought-after organic fertiliser, though :-)

Mark

[Martin Bonner]

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Mark Goodge
Horse poo is 100% biodegradable. So much so that people actually seek it
out to put on their gardens. Most litter, by contrast, is not.

So are most carrier bags now

Actually, I don't think that's true. I think most "biodegradable
plastics" just fall to pieces after a bit - leaving lots of small
pieces of fairly inert plastic. They don't decompose into CO2 + water
(+ a few trace chemicals).

Of course, we both need citations for our view point.

[Vir Campestris]

Post by Martin Bonner
Actually, I don't think that's true. I think most "biodegradable
plastics" just fall to pieces after a bit - leaving lots of small
pieces of fairly inert plastic. They don't decompose into CO2 + water
(+ a few trace chemicals).
Of course, we both need citations for our view point.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/opinion/choking-the-oceans-with-plastic.html?_r=0>

AKA http://tinyurl.com/qade2oh

Andy

[Citoyen Recorder]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by r***@gmail.com

Post by A.Lee

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 2:37:57 PM UTC+1, Citoyen Recorder
wrote: > Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse
poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?
Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that
you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released
without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week. --
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Well, typing "police photography uk" into the search bar of YouTube
returns "about 38,700 results".
Lots will be duplicates, of course but if it's legal to photograph the
police then I'd expect close to zero results.
In fact, if you view some of the videos, you sometimes actually have to
pinch yourself to remember you do live in the UK and not 1970 East
Germany.

I think the police have alwayst behaved overbearingly and violently
toward the poor and minorities. The only change is that they now feel
confident enough to behave that way towards nearly everyone; and of
course the ubiquitous phone camera.
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.
--
Roger Hayter

So you think that police horses have a divine right to poo wherever they like, in whatever quantity they like, daily at whatever time and place they feel they like without their keeper/rider bothering to clean up the mess they make afterwards? in total disregard of the risks and danger to pedestrians, cyclists, motor-cyclists, OAPs and so forth? And other health and safety risks?

[Roland Perry]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
So you think that police horses have a divine right to poo wherever they like, in whatever quantity they like, daily at whatever time and place
they feel they like without their keeper/rider bothering to clean up the mess they make afterwards? in total disregard of the risks and danger
to pedestrians, cyclists, motor-cyclists, OAPs and so forth? And other health and safety risks?

Rather than Police Horses, perhaps we could look at those used in the
Changing of the Guard and other ceremonies in Central London. It's clear
the riders won't be getting off those horses to clear up after
themselves.

[Roger Hayter]

Post by Citoyen Recorder

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by r***@gmail.com

Post by A.Lee

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 2:37:57 PM UTC+1, Citoyen Recorder
wrote: > Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse
poohing on the street > and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?
Officially no but it's becoming the de facto situation these days that
you'll be arrested and have your DNA taken before being released
without charge.
YouTube has thousands of such videos.

Would you care to cite some of your references?
If your comment was a fact, then there would be 1000's of people
arrested each week. --
Alan
To reply by mail, change '+' to 'plus'

Well, typing "police photography uk" into the search bar of YouTube
returns "about 38,700 results".
Lots will be duplicates, of course but if it's legal to photograph the
police then I'd expect close to zero results.
In fact, if you view some of the videos, you sometimes actually have to
pinch yourself to remember you do live in the UK and not 1970 East
Germany.

I think the police have alwayst behaved overbearingly and violently
toward the poor and minorities. The only change is that they now feel
confident enough to behave that way towards nearly everyone; and of
course the ubiquitous phone camera.
OTOH, the idea that a mounted police officer should personally clean up
after his horse seems a tiny bit silly to me.
--
Roger Hayter

So you think that police horses have a divine right to poo wherever they
he
mess they make afterwards? in total disregard of the risks and danger

t>o

Post by Citoyen Recorder
pedestrians, cyclists, motor-cyclists, OAPs and so forth? And other
health and safety risks?

It is not so much their right as their unavoidable behaviour. And,
while one could argue about who *should* be responsible for cleaning up,
it is unlikely to be a job the rider can conveniently do. Unless
perhaps he also has a cart; which is rare for police horses.

If you wish to pursue a possible remedy, it would be something along the
lines of any user of horses on a public road having a duty to subscribe
to a responsive cleaning-up (except perhaps in times of civill disorder
such as football matches) service.

[lordgnome]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
So you think that police horses have a divine right to poo wherever they like, in whatever quantity they like, daily at whatever time and place they feel they like without their keeper/rider bothering to clean up the mess they make afterwards? in total disregard of the risks and danger to pedestrians, cyclists, motor-cyclists, OAPs and so forth? And other health and safety risks?

Quite frankly, I'll gladly take a few hundredweight of horse droppings
in exchange for the mess and litter left by human city dwellers.

Les.

[Yellow]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

No.

[Iain]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

I believe the principle is that if you (the photographer) are located in a
public area, then there is no restriction about what photographs (or video)
you may take, including those of the police, or any other public servant.
If, however, you are located on, and taking photographs from, private
property, then you are governed by any rules in place surrounding that
private property.

Also, if the horse (or policeman) pooing has captured a crime, or is part of
a crime, then I believe that the photographs can be taken from you under the
pretext of being evidence.

IANAL

[August West]

Post by Iain

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

I believe the principle is that if you (the photographer) are located in a
public area, then there is no restriction about what photographs (or video)
you may take, including those of the police, or any other public servant.
If, however, you are located on, and taking photographs from, private
property, then you are governed by any rules in place surrounding that
private property.

This is correct.

Post by Iain
Also, if the horse (or policeman) pooing has captured a crime, or is
part of a crime, then I believe that the photographs can be taken from
you under the pretext of being evidence.

No, they can't be seized solely on the authority of a PC -- other than
following a legal search; but a thid party's property cannot be seized.

[Iain]

Post by August West

Post by Iain

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

I believe the principle is that if you (the photographer) are
located in a public area, then there is no restriction about what
photographs (or video) you may take, including those of the police,
or any other public servant. If, however, you are located on, and
taking photographs from, private property, then you are governed by
any rules in place surrounding that private property.

This is correct.

Post by Iain
Also, if the horse (or policeman) pooing has captured a crime, or is
part of a crime, then I believe that the photographs can be taken from
you under the pretext of being evidence.

No, they can't be seized solely on the authority of a PC -- other than
following a legal search; but a thid party's property cannot be seized.

So someone who has witnessed a crime (and may have been taking photos)
cannot under normal circumstances be searched - just because they may have
been taking the photos; there needs to be some other factor to allow the
search?
And even then, if the search is legal, the camera (photos/evidence) still
cannot be seized?
Apart from asking, what typically would be the method used to obtain the
photos/evidence?

And going back to the original OP's question ... providing the picture is a
typical snapshot of a policman and horse (who happens to be pooing), and not
of a crime, I believe that there would be no restriction about publishing
this on Twitter. The copyright will remain with the photographer - unless
Twitter has some clause in its T&Cs that allows Twitter to take over the
copyright.

[Iain]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Further to my previous post, here is the advice from the Metropolitan Police
(Photograph advice):
http://content.met.police.uk/Site/photographyadvice

[Michael Chare]

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Depends where you do it. In Morocco it is illegal to photograph the
police - as I found out!

[Nick Odell]

Post by Michael Chare

Post by Citoyen Recorder
Is it illegal to photograph a policeman on a police horse poohing on
the street and publishing same as a picture on Twitter?

Depends where you do it. In Morocco it is illegal to photograph the
police - as I found out!

In places where it isn't illegal I usually ask first anyway. I usually
get the picture and a great beaming smile to go with it. This also
applies to gunboats, tanks, aeroplanes etc.

I was visiting the place where Simon Winchester was interned during the
1982 shenanigans on, as it happens, the 20th anniversary. It didn't seem
very diplomatic to pull out a camera just then regardless of the legalities.

Nick