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Yaxley-Lennon. 18 months for contempt of court.
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Jethro_uk
2024-10-29 11:41:39 UTC
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
Davey
2024-10-29 12:46:02 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:41:39 -0000 (UTC)
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
Or just a Court and a Judge?
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Roger Hayter
2024-10-29 13:06:42 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:41:39 -0000 (UTC)
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
Or just a Court and a Judge?
I don't have any general answer which I am sure of, but this case was for
breach of a civil injunction and I don't think we ever have juries in these
circumstances, in England at least.
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Norman Wells
2024-10-29 19:24:59 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:41:39 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Jethro_uk
Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
Or just a Court and a Judge?
I don't have any general answer which I am sure of, but this case was for
breach of a civil injunction and I don't think we ever have juries in these
circumstances, in England at least.
Contempt of court is a matter for the court, ie the judge, not a jury
The Todal
2024-10-29 20:27:24 UTC
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
No. Generally, it requires a judge plus a fuckwit who needs to be punished.

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In the present case, the defendant has shown no inclination to comply
with the injunction in future and to respect the rights of others (and,
principally, the claimant).
All his actions suggest that he regards himself as being above the law,
and not subject to the same requirement to comply with injunctions of
the court as everybody else. That is demonstrated by the number of
breaches of the injunction, including breaches after committal
proceedings were commenced, his failure to attend the hearing that he
had been directed to attend, and the fact that he continues to maintain
material on his social media account in breach of the injunction even as
the substantive committal hearing takes place. There is no question of
the court taking a more lenient approach than would be applied to other
lawbreakers.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/HM-Solicitor-General-v-Yaxley-Lennon-Judgment.pdf
Jethro_uk
2024-10-31 11:13:28 UTC
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
He pleaded guilty so what would a jury do?
Is it "pleaded", "Pled" or "Plead" pronounced "pled" ?
JNugent
2024-11-01 01:23:58 UTC
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Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
He pleaded guilty so what would a jury do?
Is it "pleaded", "Pled" or "Plead" pronounced "pled" ?
Isn't "pled" a back-formed Americanism, following the (irrelevant)
example of "bleed" / "bled"?

The past participle of "plead" is surely "pleaded".?
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Jethro_uk
2024-11-01 10:59:16 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
He pleaded guilty so what would a jury do?
Is it "pleaded", "Pled" or "Plead" pronounced "pled" ?
Isn't "pled" a back-formed Americanism, following the (irrelevant)
example of "bleed" / "bled"?
The past participle of "plead" is surely "pleaded".?
The final arbiter of language is usage ....
The Todal
2024-11-01 15:41:32 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
He pleaded guilty so what would a jury do?
Is it "pleaded", "Pled" or "Plead" pronounced "pled" ?
Isn't "pled" a back-formed Americanism, following the (irrelevant)
example of "bleed" / "bled"?
The past participle of "plead" is surely "pleaded".?
The final arbiter of language is usage ....
I don't think any English court would use the word "pled".

More likely the report would be "entered a plea of...."

Roger Hayter
2024-10-31 19:01:24 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Does contempt of Court need a jury ?
He pleaded guilty so what would a jury do?
That isn't an answer to the question.
BTW, the fact that there was no jury may conceivably have influenced his
plea.
Given that there was massive online and witness evidence of him not only
breaching the injunction but boasting of having done so I cannot see that
there was much to be gained except a longer sentence by pleading not guilty.
Bear in mind that even if he were able to prove that the injunction was
unjustified this would not have been a defence to breaking it. I suppose that
if he were lucky enough to obtain a jury consisting entirely of fascists jury
nullification would have been a remote possibility.

In any case, juries are not used in hearings for breach of civil injunctions.
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