car with broken windows

[nobody]

i have a neighbour that trades cars and stores old junk cars in the
street and outside my house. he has an old car which is connected to a
trailer with another old car which he sells on .
this junk has been parked here for years and we cant get it moved .the
towing vehicle has a broken window and flat tyres ,he has managed to
tax it after the tax ran out after a month somehow ,he seems to be
able to get MOTs without moving it .
I read somewhere that its technically illegal to keep a car on the
road with broken windows ,if so how many windows need to be broken
before its illegal ,and how would i enforce the law to get the junk
removed ?
technically it is in an unroadworthy state especially for towing cars
around which is what he claimes to be doing in order to evade tax on
the car on the trailor .basically the guy is a nutter but trades cars
on the side .
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.
thanks

[sid]

Post by nobody
i have a neighbour that trades cars and stores old junk cars in the
street and outside my house. he has an old car which is connected to a
trailer with another old car which he sells on .
this junk has been parked here for years and we cant get it moved .the
towing vehicle has a broken window and flat tyres ,he has managed to
tax it after the tax ran out after a month somehow ,he seems to be
able to get MOTs without moving it .
I read somewhere that its technically illegal to keep a car on the
road with broken windows ,if so how many windows need to be broken
before its illegal ,and how would i enforce the law to get the junk
removed ?
technically it is in an unroadworthy state especially for towing cars
around which is what he claimes to be doing in order to evade tax on
the car on the trailor .basically the guy is a nutter but trades cars
on the side .
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.
thanks

My landrover has removable door tops and flip down windscreen, it is
legal to drive (AFAIK, police have seen me doing it and were not
concerned) with no door tops and windscreen down. I'd be surprised if a
broken window made a vehicle unroadworthy.

Fraudulent MOT certificates are a serious matter though...

sid

[GB]

Post by sid
Fraudulent MOT certificates are a serious matter though...

Complain to VOSA about the MOT. That, honestly, may be the best way to get
this stuff moved.

[nobody]

yours was designed that way and would pass an MOT but this junk is
damaged and wouldn't pass an MOT with a busted window ,would it ??if
you had a cracked windscreen that would fail an MOT surely.same here ?
reason car unsafe to drive ? irrespective of the time between an
annual MOT it still has to be maintained in a roadworthy condition

[sid]

Post by nobody
yours was designed that way and would pass an MOT but this junk is
damaged and wouldn't pass an MOT with a busted window ,would it ??if
you had a cracked windscreen that would fail an MOT surely.same here ?
reason car unsafe to drive ? irrespective of the time between an
annual MOT it still has to be maintained in a roadworthy condition

He didn't say the windscreen was broken, a side window being broken
cannot make a vehicle unroadworthy, since you can drive it with the
window down.


sid

[sid]

Post by nobody
yours was designed that way and would pass an MOT but this junk is
damaged and wouldn't pass an MOT with a busted window ,would it ??if
you had a cracked windscreen that would fail an MOT surely.same here ?
reason car unsafe to drive ? irrespective of the time between an
annual MOT it still has to be maintained in a roadworthy condition

Sorry, my recent post was a assuming your comment was to the OP, but you
are the OP. Anyway, my point is that side windows are not part of the
MOT test, door handles, locks, seatbelts are, windscreen is. If the
windows are tinted to the degree it blocks vision, that is illegal, but
no glass at all does not obstruct vision.

If the vehicle is on the highway it must be insured, the police have a
database of insured vehicles. If it is on the highway without a current
insurance cert. then an offence has been commited irrespective of the
fact it has an MOT and tax disk.


sid

[steve robinson]

Post by sid

Post by nobody
yours was designed that way and would pass an MOT but this junk is
damaged and wouldn't pass an MOT with a busted window ,would it
??if you had a cracked windscreen that would fail an MOT
surely.same here ? reason car unsafe to drive ? irrespective of
the time between an annual MOT it still has to be maintained in a
roadworthy condition

Sorry, my recent post was a assuming your comment was to the OP,
but you are the OP. Anyway, my point is that side windows are not
part of the MOT test, door handles, locks, seatbelts are,
windscreen is. If the windows are tinted to the degree it blocks
vision, that is illegal, but no glass at all does not obstruct
vision.
If the vehicle is on the highway it must be insured, the police
have a database of insured vehicles. If it is on the highway
without a current insurance cert. then an offence has been commited
irrespective of the fact it has an MOT and tax disk.
sid

If he sticks the car on a trailer then the car does not require
insurance , tax or mot

Having a vehicle with 'ilegal' tints is not an offence as long as its
not being driven

[David]

Post by sid
If the vehicle is on the highway it must be insured, the police have a
database of insured vehicles. If it is on the highway without a current
insurance cert. then an offence has been commited irrespective of the
fact it has an MOT and tax disk.

Check it out at
http://www.askmid.com
You can search for free if it's your vehicle, otherwise it's GBP3.50

David

[nobody]

police have checked his old bangers before and they say he holds a
motor traders insurance policy . i have notified the IR to establish
what he is up to with them ,unlikely he has ever paid any tax and is
claiming benefits . he has a record as long as your arm for avoiding
poll tax and council tax and road tax and bailiffs visit his house
regularly . but he never opens the door and they give up on him in the
end .he does not fear fines and court appearances as he has nothing
and lives in a house full of rubbish. he appears to suffer from
Diogenes syndrome ,a rubbish hoarder .i will check to see if the MOT
has been fiddled somehow .

[Lordgnome]

Post by nobody
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.

I would have thought that the Council and others could have quite a few
other approaches if you could galvanise their attention: Planning issues?
Trading standards? Environmental health & insurance for the business? Is the
business causing an obstruction on the public highway?

Les.

[Usenet Nutter]

Post by Lordgnome

Post by nobody
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.

I would have thought that the Council and others could have quite a few
other approaches if you could galvanise their attention: Planning issues?
Trading standards? Environmental health & insurance for the business? Is the
business causing an obstruction on the public highway?
Les.

HMRC...is he claiming benefit?

[iain]

Post by nobody
I read somewhere that its technically illegal to keep a car on the
road with broken windows ,if so how many windows need to be broken
before its illegal ,and how would i enforce the law to get the junk
removed ?
technically it is in an unroadworthy state especially for towing cars
around which is what he claimes to be doing in order to evade tax on
the car on the trailor .basically the guy is a nutter but trades cars
on the side .
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.
thanks

Other councils can and do deal with vehicles in a dangerous condition
- broken glass, no petrol cap, jagged accident damage etc.

For example - "VEHICLES IN A DANGEROUS CONDITION

The Council has powers to remove dangerous vehicles from the Highway.
If the vehicle is untaxed and has no registered keeper, it may be
removed immediately. Otherwise, a notice giving 24 hours warning of
its destruction will be attached to any dangerous vehicle of no
intrinsic value. "

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1110

Also I've no link handy but know for a fact that Glasgow City Council
deal with dangerous vehicles.

[Kipling]

Post by iain
Other councils can and do deal with vehicles in a dangerous condition
- broken glass, no petrol cap, jagged accident damage etc.
For example - "VEHICLES IN A DANGEROUS CONDITION
The Council has powers to remove dangerous vehicles from the Highway.
If the vehicle is untaxed and has no registered keeper, it may be
removed immediately. Otherwise, a notice giving 24 hours warning of
its destruction will be attached to any dangerous vehicle of no
intrinsic value. "
http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1110
Also I've no link handy but know for a fact that Glasgow City Council
deal with dangerous vehicles.

Most councils do, also try phoning your local Neighbourhood Policing Team,
they will have links with the coucil to deal with things.

But it might take a couple of days if your local officers are not on duty on
the day you call.

[Usenet Nutter]

Post by nobody
i have a neighbour that trades cars and stores old junk cars in the
street and outside my house. he has an old car which is connected to a
trailer with another old car which he sells on .
this junk has been parked here for years and we cant get it moved .the
towing vehicle has a broken window and flat tyres ,he has managed to
tax it after the tax ran out after a month somehow ,he seems to be
able to get MOTs without moving it .
I read somewhere that its technically illegal to keep a car on the
road with broken windows ,if so how many windows need to be broken
before its illegal ,and how would i enforce the law to get the junk
removed ?
technically it is in an unroadworthy state especially for towing cars
around which is what he claimes to be doing in order to evade tax on
the car on the trailor .basically the guy is a nutter but trades cars
on the side .
the council say that they can do nothing as it now has a tax disc.
thanks

I can appreciate the cars and what you neighbour is doing might well
be a nuisance but how do you know the car or cars is/are
unroadworthy?

[Phil Stovell]

Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005

See:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2005/ukpga_20050016_en_3#pt2-pb1-l1g4

[nobody]

there is another angle i could try in that there is the allowance to
park half on the pavement as its a narrow road and there are white
lines to show where parking is allowed. what i want to know is ,is
there a defined weight restriction of a vehicle allowed to park on the
pavement ?obviously a saloon is given exemption to park on the
pavement but are heavy vehicles allowed under this allowance to park ?
a trailor with a vehicle on top is heavier and liable to cause damage
to the pavement so is there a particular set of regs that states
clearly what can and what cannot legally park on the pavement ,given
that its illegal elsewhere and dispensation is allowed in this narrow
street .he clearly parks a towing car plus the trailor and car on top
between 2 sets of white lines half on and off the pavement .the
parking signs in the street show a blue sign with a saloon car half on
the pavement at an angle .

[steve robinson]

Post by nobody
there is another angle i could try in that there is the allowance to
park half on the pavement as its a narrow road and there are white
lines to show where parking is allowed. what i want to know is ,is
there a defined weight restriction of a vehicle allowed to park on
the pavement

If there is one locally it would be identified by signage


?obviously a saloon is given exemption to park on the

Post by nobody
pavement but are heavy vehicles allowed under this allowance to
park ? a trailor with a vehicle on top is heaver and liable to
cause damage to the pavement so is there a particular set of regs
that states clearly what can and what cannot legally park on the
pavement ,given that its illegal elsewhere and dispensation is
allowed in this narrow street .he clearly parks a towing car plus
the trailor and car on top between 2 sets of white lines half on
and off the pavement .the parking signs in the street show a blue
sign with a saloon car half on the pavement at an angle .

A car plus trailer could still weigh less than a car alone depending
on make , model , contents within car so your on a no brainer there

It may be ilegal under local bylaws to park a car and trailer but
your clutching at straws

[Rod]

Post by nobody
there is another angle i could try in that there is the allowance to
park half on the pavement as its a narrow road and there are white
lines to show where parking is allowed. what i want to know is ,is
there a defined weight restriction of a vehicle allowed to park on the
pavement ?obviously a saloon is given exemption to park on the
pavement but are heavy vehicles allowed under this allowance to park ?
a trailor with a vehicle on top is heavier and liable to cause damage
to the pavement so is there a particular set of regs that states
clearly what can and what cannot legally park on the pavement ,given
that its illegal elsewhere and dispensation is allowed in this narrow
street .he clearly parks a towing car plus the trailor and car on top
between 2 sets of white lines half on and off the pavement .the
parking signs in the street show a blue sign with a saloon car half on
the pavement at an angle .

I do not know the true legal situation but have discussed the issue with
a friend who was a bus driver. He absolutely refused to drive onto
pavements because a) it is illegal; b) he has no idea what cellars could
collapse or other underground structural damage could be caused as
pavements are not in general capable of supporting the load. His
position was backed up by police who were called on an occasion when he
refused do get out of the way by driving over a pavement.