Discussion:
Is this "Paypal" email a scam?
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n***@aolbin.com
2022-11-17 10:28:03 UTC
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I've had a couple of emails, ostensibly from Paypal, saying:
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to
your next eligible purchase*"
The "save reward" click field goes to:
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.

All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
GB
2022-11-17 12:42:10 UTC
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Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to
your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
that's almost certainly not a paypal domain, so it's a scam.
GB
2022-11-17 14:22:16 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied
to your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
that's almost certainly not a paypal domain, so it's a scam.
Funnily enough, I may be wrong on that.

See
https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Security-and-Fraud/Email-links-to-epl-paypal-communication-com-is-it-legit-or-scam/td-p/2242949
Martin Brown
2022-11-17 20:18:13 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied
to your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
that's almost certainly not a paypal domain, so it's a scam.
It seems perhaps amazingly to be a genuine domain that PayPal Inc do
control. They should perhaps include better proof of their credentials
in an email that contains a click bait link with a tempting offer.

It *LOOKS* exactly like a classic phishing scam!!!

https://who.is/whois/paypal-communication.com

But there are a hell of a lot of fake look alikes too with "-" in
different positions and 1lI substitutions in the "similar domains" list.

You have to wonder why some of these scammer domains are allowed to exist!
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Regards,
Martin Brown
Roland Perry
2022-11-18 06:15:56 UTC
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Post by Martin Brown
Post by GB
Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to
your account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be
applied to your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
that's almost certainly not a paypal domain, so it's a scam.
It seems perhaps amazingly to be a genuine domain that PayPal Inc do
control. They should perhaps include better proof of their credentials
in an email that contains a click bait link with a tempting offer.
It *LOOKS* exactly like a classic phishing scam!!!
https://who.is/whois/paypal-communication.com
But there are a hell of a lot of fake look alikes too with "-" in
different positions and 1lI substitutions in the "similar domains" list.
You have to wonder why some of these scammer domains are allowed to exist!
Allowed by whom? The Internet Community is fiercely independent and
campaigns strongly to be allowed to continue to keep its own house in
order. If you want stronger rules about what happens inside that
essentially private club, then you need to get involved.

Warning: you'll find it quickly becomes a fulltime (unpaid) job, and
getting even the smallest change can take years.

Disclaimer, that sort of thing has been part of my day job the last
almost 30yrs, and while it has allowed me to travel the world and talk
to many very interesting people (last week's roadshow was in London, a
rare destination for them), I can see that the process could be
frustrating for many.

If you want to dip your toe in the water, here's the current timetable
of the subset of such meetings most appropriate for regulating domain
names (and all the archives are available too):

https://meetings.icann.org/en/calendar
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Roland Perry
Jon Ribbens
2022-11-18 11:44:00 UTC
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Post by Martin Brown
It seems perhaps amazingly to be a genuine domain that PayPal Inc do
control. They should perhaps include better proof of their credentials
in an email that contains a click bait link with a tempting offer.
That would require basic competence.
Post by Martin Brown
It *LOOKS* exactly like a classic phishing scam!!!
https://who.is/whois/paypal-communication.com
I wouldn't necessarily put any weight on the fact it says "PayPal Inc"
as the Registrant Organization - anyone can register a domain in
anyone's name, and for that matter a great many perfectly genuine
domains have the registrant information hidden.

On the other hand, it is conceivable that the particular registrar in
this instance (which can't be faked), MarkMonitor Inc, does verify
the registrant organizations for their customer domains, given they
are mainly a trademark/brand protection company rather than a domain
registrar.
Brian
2022-11-17 12:54:55 UTC
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Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to
your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
I would assume it is a scam to get your password.

You could try the wrong password. If it claims your £10 has been added, it
is a scam.
Andy Burns
2022-11-17 13:01:20 UTC
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"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your account by
clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to your next eligible
purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or scams. Paypal
didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but things that
seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
I have numerous genuine emails from ***@yyy.paypal.com email addresses,
containing links to epl.paypal-communications.com

I wish firms wouldn't use such domains, that look like scammers to joe public
but there you go ...
AnthonyL
2022-11-17 13:03:23 UTC
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"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to
your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
If I'm not sure I do a WHOIS lookup:

https://whois.domaintools.com/paypal-communication.com

https://whois.domaintools.com/paypal.com

It irks me no end that someone, in their wisdom has chosen to use a
less familiar domain name which creates confusion.

Why on earth don't they use promotions.paypal.com or
paypal.com/offers?

It's just giving ammunition to scammers.

You'll have to make your own decision based on the info above, or do
your own whois from a different organisation - there are lots of whois
services out there.
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AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?
billy bookcase
2022-11-17 13:47:11 UTC
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"Don't forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your account by clicking
on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or scams. Paypal didn't
reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but things that seem too
good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
Does it have real your name on it ?

I got one headed "Ready to score some rewards"

Which started

quote:

Paypal
================================
Hi Quentin Julius Mapperly-Feathersone-Marjoribanks

We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible.
In order for you to see what we had hoped to show you please click here to view online in
your browser..............................

unquote

It used to be that if it had your real name on it, then it was kosher. I personally
ignore
all Paypal emails which mainly seem to be offers of credit. Credit ? Moi ? :

bb
Mike Scott
2022-11-17 14:56:15 UTC
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Paypal themselves look a bit scammy - blackbeltbarrister on youtube has
a new warning video about paypal charging for inactive accounts. It's
been around for a bit though:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/12/paypal-introduces-new-fee-for-dormant-accounts

Certainly passed me by - and I'm lucky that we received some
dostransactionh earlier this year so haven't been charged: but it was
the first for quite a few years.

Goodbye paypal, I guess.

But is it legal to unilaterally impose charges in this way? Shouldn't
they be required to make people accept charges explicitly, defaulting to
account closure?
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Mike Scott
Harlow, England
Mark Goodge
2022-11-17 16:59:26 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:56:15 +0000, Mike Scott
Post by Mike Scott
Paypal themselves look a bit scammy - blackbeltbarrister on youtube has
a new warning video about paypal charging for inactive accounts. It's
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/12/paypal-introduces-new-fee-for-dormant-accounts
Certainly passed me by - and I'm lucky that we received some
dostransactionh earlier this year so haven't been charged: but it was
the first for quite a few years.
Goodbye paypal, I guess.
You only get charged if there's a balance in the account. A completely
inactive account, with zero balance, won't get charged.
Post by Mike Scott
But is it legal to unilaterally impose charges in this way? Shouldn't
they be required to make people accept charges explicitly, defaulting to
account closure?
Like a lot of online services, PayPal regularly updates its Ts&Cs and
requires you to either explicitly reject them or accept them by inaction.
And their ability to do this is contained within the Ts&Cs that you
originally agreed to when you created the account in the first place. So
yes, it is perfectly legal so long as people are notified sufficiently far
in advance.

Given that most people don't have a bank account linked to their PayPal
account, closing the account by default would mean you'd lose the funds
anyway because there's no way for PayPal to send you the balance.

Mark
Mike Scott
2022-11-18 07:51:14 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
Like a lot of online services, PayPal regularly updates its Ts&Cs and
requires you to either explicitly reject them or accept them by inaction.
Ah, a bit like inertial selling then? :-}

I take your point about zero-balance accounts though.

I have now closed my paypal a/c. But that took a bit of work, as I
couldn't log in. I'd not logged in for (many) years, and for whatever
reason, it wouldn't accept my password. So trying the lost password link
led to the usual 'secret' security questions: except these didn't exist
when I set the a/c up way back when, so they couldn't be answered; and
they had an old phone number on record, which I couldn't change because
I couldn't log in. :-{

Expecting hassle, I phoned their cs number, and was very pleasantly
surprised: quickly through to a real and very helpful lady, who did some
checks and reset everything and talked me through the necessary actions.
Full marks for that; very courteous and professional.
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Mike Scott
Harlow, England
Martin Brown
2022-11-18 10:46:37 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:56:15 +0000, Mike Scott
Post by Mike Scott
Paypal themselves look a bit scammy - blackbeltbarrister on youtube has
a new warning video about paypal charging for inactive accounts. It's
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/12/paypal-introduces-new-fee-for-dormant-accounts
Certainly passed me by - and I'm lucky that we received some
dostransactionh earlier this year so haven't been charged: but it was
the first for quite a few years.
Goodbye paypal, I guess.
You only get charged if there's a balance in the account. A completely
inactive account, with zero balance, won't get charged.
How does that work if there is no card linked to the account and no one
at the physical address linked to the account? Do they run the balance
down to zero and then just give up? I ask out of interest since I
abandoned a PayPal account with ISTR $7 still remaining in it a couple
of decades ago when I moved back to the UK.
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Mike Scott
But is it legal to unilaterally impose charges in this way? Shouldn't
they be required to make people accept charges explicitly, defaulting to
account closure?
Like a lot of online services, PayPal regularly updates its Ts&Cs and
requires you to either explicitly reject them or accept them by inaction.
And their ability to do this is contained within the Ts&Cs that you
originally agreed to when you created the account in the first place. So
yes, it is perfectly legal so long as people are notified sufficiently far
in advance.
Given that most people don't have a bank account linked to their PayPal
account, closing the account by default would mean you'd lose the funds
anyway because there's no way for PayPal to send you the balance.
I'm not too worried about losing under $10. I would be annoyed if they
tried to charge me for several years with that balance remaining.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Mark Goodge
2022-11-18 21:28:50 UTC
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Post by Martin Brown
Post by Mark Goodge
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:56:15 +0000, Mike Scott
Post by Mike Scott
Paypal themselves look a bit scammy - blackbeltbarrister on youtube has
a new warning video about paypal charging for inactive accounts. It's
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/12/paypal-introduces-new-fee-for-dormant-accounts
Certainly passed me by - and I'm lucky that we received some
dostransactionh earlier this year so haven't been charged: but it was
the first for quite a few years.
Goodbye paypal, I guess.
You only get charged if there's a balance in the account. A completely
inactive account, with zero balance, won't get charged.
How does that work if there is no card linked to the account and no one
at the physical address linked to the account? Do they run the balance
down to zero and then just give up?
Yes. They will only charge an existing balance. If the balance is zero (or
when it reaches zero following charges being levied) then it doesn't get
charged. The charges are never taken from any linked card or bank account,
only from the balance in the account itself.

Mark
Ben
2022-11-17 22:07:49 UTC
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Post by Mike Scott
Paypal themselves look a bit scammy - blackbeltbarrister on youtube has
a new warning video about paypal charging for inactive accounts. It's
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/12/paypal-introduces-new-fee-for-dormant-accounts
Certainly passed me by - and I'm lucky that we received some
dostransactionh earlier this year so haven't been charged: but it was
the first for quite a few years.
Goodbye paypal, I guess.
But is it legal to unilaterally impose charges in this way? Shouldn't
they be required to make people accept charges explicitly, defaulting to
account closure?
--
Mike Scott
Harlow, England
I never tried to use Ebay/Paypal until a few years ago.

Being an expat in a foreign country, I yearned for a few small things from home. I opened an Ebay account with a VPN, entered all my true details (bank account, card, address, phone, etc.) and was promptly permanently banned. I hadn't even bought anything yet.

Ebay/Paypal didn't give a reason, although looking around, it may have been either because of the VPN, or because one of my details matched a previously permanently banned person, such as my postal address or cellphone number (I keep getting SMSes both spam and legit, intended for someone else).

Ebay/Paypal's permanent bans are quite nasty, again from reading around, if you try to re-open an account with different details but one item matches the previous one, such as bank account number, all the new details are added to a blacklist.

To reverse the ban, customer service asked for a copy of my ID. I decided I wasn't going to give it to them. If they don't want new users that's fine by me, and I'm not giving them my ID to add to their whimsically arbitrary blacklist.
Roland Perry
2022-11-17 15:21:45 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible.
Another of those confusing lies that marketers promote.

They *did* send it as HTML, but your email reader has decided not to
display it. Rather than display the alternative non-HTML part of the
email, which the have chosen to comprise that text, rather than a
non-HTML version of the message they were trying to convey.
--
Roland Perry
billy bookcase
2022-11-17 16:42:49 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible.
Another of those confusing lies that marketers promote.
Not confusing at all. AFAIAA (the last time I looked) I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.

As I could, and can see no possible benefit in so doing.
Although obviously people will now be queuing up to tell me of
all the benefits I've been missing out on down the years.

I haven't yet worked out if New Improved Windows 10 even offers
that option any more. I don't have email enabled in Linux -
the other OS I sometimes use in order to send in Gas Meter
Readings. Old days phone in readings on freephone number.
Then progress - send in readings online, Then more progress
send in reading but only if using 64 bit browser on 64 bit
machine. As obviously they don't want mu gas meter readings
falling into the wrong hands. Sorry, you were saying ?

Just now I read that Lord Curzon when Viceroy of India
regulalrly wrote 100 page letters home to his wife. Interesting
character a pompous workaholic who couldn't delegate. The Viceregal
Lodge had years earlier already been modelled on his ancestral
home. Which helped.
Post by Roland Perry
They *did* send it as HTML, but your email reader has decided not to display it.
No. See above, I chose not to display it
Post by Roland Perry
Rather than display the alternative non-HTML part of the email, which the have chosen
to comprise that text, rather than a non-HTML version of the message they were trying
to convey.
It seems my "internet mistake" may have created a wholly false
impression in some people.


bb
Roland Perry
2022-11-18 06:20:45 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible.
Another of those confusing lies that marketers promote.
Not confusing at all. AFAIAA (the last time I looked) I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
While I agree with you about not-opening HTML emails, the confusion is
that they *did* SEND IT TO YOU IN HTML, but you chose not to open it.
Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
They *did* send it as HTML, but your email reader has decided not to display it.
No. See above, I chose not to display it
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
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Roland Perry
billy bookcase
2022-11-18 17:09:31 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.


bb
Roland Perry
2022-11-20 09:55:16 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or
sales. It's more aligned with education.
--
Roland Perry
billy bookcase
2022-11-20 13:46:39 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or sales. It's more
aligned with education.
That's just where you're wrong.

I made that remark - 2 days ago ish. Last night I watched an episode
from season four of "Homicide Life on the Street" where Frank
Pembleton, a detective, is discussing his troubled marriage with his
Captain, Al Giardello played by the excellent Yaphet Kotto (his father was
supposedly a Sicilian and Al keeps coming out with Sicilian sayings) )
where he says "Mary is very well paid better than me in fact. She has
very good job as a lobbyist in Washington, which as you know, is
basically sales."

And if it was good enough for Frank Pembleton back in 1999 then its good
enough for me.


bb
Roland Perry
2022-11-20 15:46:19 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or
sales. It's more aligned with education.
That's just where you're wrong.
Although I think you are wrong to say I'm wrong.

[Rinse and repeat]
Post by billy bookcase
I made that remark - 2 days ago ish.
Why is 2 days relevant? This isn't a chatline.
Post by billy bookcase
Last night I watched an episode from season four of "Homicide Life on
the Street" where Frank Pembleton, a detective, is discussing his
troubled marriage with his Captain, Al Giardello played by the
excellent Yaphet Kotto (his father was supposedly a Sicilian and Al
keeps coming out with Sicilian sayings) ) where he says "Mary is very
well paid better than me in fact. She has very good job as a lobbyist
in Washington, which as you know, is basically sales."
And if it was good enough for Frank Pembleton back in 1999 then its good
enough for me.
Then you are misdirecting yourself from a very small sample.
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Roland Perry
billy bookcase
2022-11-20 21:07:33 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or sales. It's more
aligned with education.
That's just where you're wrong.
Although I think you are wrong to say I'm wrong.
[Rinse and repeat]
Post by billy bookcase
I made that remark - 2 days ago ish.
Why is 2 days relevant? This isn't a chatline.
It was to point up the co-incidence. Around 2 days ago for the one
and only time in my life, I thought about the subject of lobbying
for long enough to conclude it was actually about sales. Then two
days later, I happen to be watching a DVD of a 1999 Cop Show
when in possibly one of the few, if only times in TV history,
a character actually says "Lobbying is about sales". I'm having
trouble getting over this. Maybe I am the new Messiah after all.
Whereas had I watched it maybe six months ago - so what ?
Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
Last night I watched an episode from season four of "Homicide Life on the Street" where
Frank Pembleton, a detective, is discussing his troubled marriage with his Captain, Al
Giardello played by the excellent Yaphet Kotto (his father was supposedly a Sicilian
and Al keeps coming out with Sicilian sayings) ) where he says "Mary is very well paid
better than me in fact. She has very good job as a lobbyist in Washington, which as you
know, is basically sales."
And if it was good enough for Frank Pembleton back in 1999 then its good
enough for me.
Then you are misdirecting yourself from a very small sample.
Let's face it, lobbyist don't have an enviable reputation anywhere.
They try to kid themselves they're acting for the good of humanity
but the rest of us know different. Dogged persistence, and if you
can't convince them, then confuse them. Usually there might be
one person in the room apart from yourself who actually knows
what you're talking about. So the rest of them keep one eye
on him or her, so as to know when to nod at the right time.
Same with the smiles. So its a sea of nodding heads and smiling
faces. And then one week, one month or one year later when the
policy paper finally emerges - Eh ? What's all this about ?
I didn't recommend any of this ! This will never work.


bb
Roland Perry
2022-11-22 16:38:45 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
Let's face it, lobbyist don't have an enviable reputation anywhere.
They try to kid themselves they're acting for the good of humanity
but the rest of us know different. Dogged persistence, and if you
can't convince them, then confuse them. Usually there might be
one person in the room apart from yourself who actually knows
what you're talking about. So the rest of them keep one eye
on him or her, so as to know when to nod at the right time.
Same with the smiles. So its a sea of nodding heads and smiling
faces. And then one week, one month or one year later when the
policy paper finally emerges - Eh ? What's all this about ?
I didn't recommend any of this ! This will never work.
I'm sorry you've suffered from incompetent lobbyists, blame your
employers, perhaps?
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Roland Perry
Simon Parker
2022-11-20 14:07:46 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by billy bookcase
Post by Roland Perry
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or
sales. It's more aligned with education.
Such as the sugar lobby "educating" politicians on the many benefits of
a high sugar diet?

And the gambling lobby "educating" politicians on the wonderful effects
of gambling?

And the tobacco lobby "educating" politicians...

Regards

S.P.
Roland Perry
2022-11-20 15:48:13 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
Nov 2022, billy
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or
sales. It's more aligned with education.
Such as the sugar lobby "educating" politicians on the many benefits of
a high sugar diet?
And the gambling lobby "educating" politicians on the wonderful effects
of gambling?
And the tobacco lobby "educating" politicians...
And the Internet techies lobbying politicians on why they shouldn't try
to start micro-managing how the Internet works.
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Roland Perry
Simon Parker
2022-11-22 20:16:08 UTC
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Post by Simon Parker
Post by billy bookcase
Nov  2022, billy
...I deliberately
chose not to open emails in HTML as a security measure.
I think you mean "yes, they did send it, but I chose not to open it."
My mistake. I previously likened lobbying to advertising. When clearly
it has far more in common with sales. Dogged persistence in the face
of all opposition and argument, being the keyword.
 I don't think lobbying has got much to do with either advertising or
sales. It's more aligned with education.
Such as the sugar lobby "educating" politicians on the many benefits
of a high sugar diet?
And the gambling lobby "educating" politicians on the wonderful
effects of gambling?
And the tobacco lobby "educating" politicians...
And the Internet techies lobbying politicians on why they shouldn't try
to start micro-managing how the Internet works.
Indeed. (Although, pedantically I'd replace 'lobbying' with
'"educating"' so it matched the style of the examples I'd given.) :-)

I finished my post with an elipsis to suggest there were numerous other
examples that could be given but which I'd chosen not to include.

Regards

S.P.

Mark Goodge
2022-11-17 17:04:05 UTC
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Post by billy bookcase
We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible.
Another of those confusing lies that marketers promote.
They *did* send it as HTML, but your email reader has decided not to
display it. Rather than display the alternative non-HTML part of the
email, which the have chosen to comprise that text, rather than a
non-HTML version of the message they were trying to convey.
One of my credit card companies has, for the past few months, been sending
me emails which (paraphrased) say "You haven't been reading our emails, so
we're going to stop sending them". The fact that my email client, like that
of many people, is configured not to display trackers by default seems to
have not occurred to them as a possibility. I'm reading the email without
any problems, but they have absolutely no way of knowing that I have. Which
is precisely how it should be. If I ever want to stop getting the emails,
then one of two things will happen: either I'll log on to my account and
disable them (which I can do), or they'll be rejected at SMTP time (which
they can detect).

Mark
David McNeish
2022-11-17 15:06:32 UTC
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Post by n***@aolbin.com
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
Is there any sign of such an offer if you log in to your account via the normal Paypal site?
n***@aolbin.com
2022-11-17 16:34:28 UTC
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Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied to
your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
Thanks for the various replies.
After spending more time researching, and seeing that many people are
uncertain about this url, I decided to follow the link - it took me to
the normal Paypal site and one more click added £10 to my account. This
probably works out as £5/hour, so not the best use of my time :-(
I'm surprised that such a high-profile organisation can send emails that
cause doubt and confusion.
Max Demian
2022-11-18 14:16:10 UTC
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Post by n***@aolbin.com
Post by n***@aolbin.com
"Don’t forget your £10 reward. Remember to save this reward to your
account by clicking on Save Reward. It will automatically be applied
to your next eligible purchase*"
https://epl.paypal-communication.com/T/<blahblahblah>
Mr Google seems confused about whether these emails are genuine or
scams. Paypal didn't reply to an email asking whether this was genuine.
All the branding looks correct, and it was addressed to me ... but
things that seem too good to be true usually are. What does the team think?
Thanks for the various replies.
After spending more time researching, and seeing that many people are
uncertain about this url, I decided to follow the link - it took me to
the normal Paypal site and one more click added £10 to my account. This
probably works out as £5/hour, so not the best use of my time :-(
I'm surprised that such a high-profile organisation can send emails that
cause doubt and confusion.
I'm not surprised. As well as the PayPal confusion (which I knew about),
Santander sent me an email warning me against, among other things,
clicking on links in emails, *including* a link back to their site. And
Barclays Bank sent me a text asking me to phone them, *giving the phone
number to ring* with no way for me to check if it is genuine, except by
checking the number against my records (which would defeat the point of
including the number). It *was* genuine, but the Barclays lady I phoned
didn't appreciate the potential security risk.
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Max Demian
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